Re: Your trip (fwd)

[Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg>]

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Jill again:

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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 23:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jill White <http://www.ymail.com/~wjill66>
To: "http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg"; <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg>
Subject: Re: Your trip

I agree with everything you said, and I don't think Ornish diet goes with a
woman's body at all and like you said, men's bodies vary.  It doesn't allow
any sugar, flour or coffee or tea - remember in book Ornish drinks cereal
hot beverage - Roger and I tried it, it was Postem or something like that,
and we couldn't stand it and missed our caffeine. Â It is not a natural diet
as humans were first gatherers and nuts and seeds were the only protein
available unless lived near water with fish, but I gathered from the CNN
story, it is the only one which stops further plaque from completely
blocking and killing those with already severe CAD.   I use to love nonfat
yogurt but unfortunately causes migraines since fermented. In the Marin IJ
which we subscribed for 23 yrs in Novato to they printed little articles
about him regularly, and he talked about all of the bean recipes he and wife
were eating - then they got divorced and he married much younger woman who
also worked with him - can't remember if she is nutritionist. Saw many yrs
later, not that long ago in SF Chron that he had young child or 2 with 2nd
wife at a late age and he's still got all black hair and has had some
cosmetic procedures on his face.
 
Thanks for the link, looks interesting - I have files full of all of
articles on heart health and migraine - diet and hormones and digestive
system, etc. I agree with many who have had the horrible experiences with
the most popular RXs - Drs are very necessary to save lives when have
blocked or not functioning heart conditions, and infections, when in an
accident or have very painful bone related conditions that can be helped by
surgery like yours was.  My 2 cataract surgeries with lens implants are a
miracle to me.  It is just all of the diseases from what we put in our
mouths - big pharma controls the health plan primary care and Internal Med
docs.
 
Love, Jill

From: Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg>
To: Jill White <http://www.ymail.com/~wjill66>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: Your trip

Yes, after almost having the cervical fusion surgery I am more wary of MDs,
though coming from a medical family I can't totally reject them.
Have you seen this website
http://www.yourownhealthandfitness.org
this couple who run it live near you, they are not MDs, they call themselves
health integrationists. I liked their latest blog about the prostate cancer
screenings study.

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Jill White wrote:

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:46:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jill White <http://www.ymail.com/~wjill66>
> To: "http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg"; <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg>
> Subject: Re: Your trip
> Dear Noelle,
> Very interesting what you shared, esp about Robt's Dad because I hate
> doctors also - only have had 2 surgeries, both elective in my life and
they
> threw my body into a living hell for months and even years, the last one. 
> All of the RXs that they prescribe cause my heart not to be able to go
into
> relaxation and OTC Prilosec caused horrible side effects in every body
> system and even calcium antacids cause my heart to speed up and a nausea
> feeling after.  I have reported side effects to FDA but ofcourse my Docs
> deny any of the meds could cause.  I have been using Ask A Pt for a number
> of years and couldn't believe how many people had the same side effects
from
> the Statins and from Prevacid and Nexium - Prilosec is also a PPIÂ which
> went OTC last yr which upsets me terribly.  I am guessing that your father
> in law and I share some genes which cause sodium sensitivity which seems
to
> only occur in Ashkenazi, fair skinned Jews, who also have higher breast
> cancer risk, and almost all RXs and OTC RXs and minerals and vitamins
> and many herbs throw off the homeostasis balance in the blood stream. 
Also
> I just saw most of the story about Pres Clinton's new diet on CNN - I was
> channel surfing and missed the beginning - have you seen it with the
Indian
> MD - young and handsome Sanja Gupay (just guessing spelling - know is
> wrong)Â  Roger and I have studied diet in relation to the heart and the
most
> common cancers and know that mostly vegetarian is the only disease
> prevention diet.  I won't spend time in email but Dean Ornish was very
> popular when Roger had bypass at 50 at Marin General and Dean in Mill
> Valley.  A friend gave Roger, Eat More Weigh Less - we just couldn't eat
> that diet and I know my body that always has hi estrogen levels doesn't
have
> blocked arteries but I have a higher stroke risk.  We eat nuts, olive oil
> and I eat an egg and Roger eggbeaters and an egg less frequently.  It was
a
> fascinating program - never knew Clintons had Dean Ornish come to the
White
> House kitchen after his bypass surgery.  Then I guess he went off of until
> his more recent heart attack and got scared so went back on it. 
> Â 
I don't know what Ornish would say about R's sister who has lost a lot of
weight and has better control over diabetes from eating bison and salmon and
minimal carbs.

> Also, our plumbing contractor who is about your age and is a pilot and is
in
> Reserves I think and has a Master's degree from Sonoma State, is very into
> healthy eating and being knowledgeable about drugs because of his 2 cats
and
> dog and 1 cat was born with heart defect.  He was telling me about
> interesting book detailing the China Study that Protein is the cause of
all
> of our diseases.  Then our Oakmont Movies group showed "Forks over Knives"
a
> few wks ago.  Roger and I read the Diet for a Small Planet many many yrs
ago
> and I copied the charts - Scandanavians eat the most cheese, butter and
> other dairy products and have the highest rate of breast and prostate
cancer
> in the world.
> Â 
it's animal protein they don't like. But I suspect processed foods are
worse.
I do agree it would be better for people to eat less meat, and better for
the environment. Robert does well being a vegan, but I don't feel as
energetic. I like having goat milk yogurt,I don't like soy yogurt.I think
people have different needs and unfortunately for vegan activists they are
not going to get everyone on their side.

> If you add some photos you took onto Ancestry, I will link them into my
> Schneider chart.

they are there

> Â 
My in-laws got the Forks Over Knives DVD I sent. I'm curious how they will
like it. I know my dad would not buy it, he is fine with taking lipitor and
eating what he wants(he never had weight problems).
NG