Re: gifts, etc.

[robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>]

 > From: ", Flora" <http://www.state.vt.us/~Flora.>
 > Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:33:54 +0000
 >
 > I got my state of Vermont job by applying online.

One applies for almost all jobs online.  The questions are (1) whether you
find out about the job in the first place (some are listed, but only for
brief periods (Macrosoft did this when it had every intention of hiring
internally, but needed to post the job publically to comply with state
laws)), (2) whether you already know the people interviewing you (which is
usually helpful), and (3) whether you've talked to people who have been
through the hiring process (including passing any tests for the position).

In other words, knowing people almost always makes it easier to get a job.
For people like Nick and me who are slow to make friends, staying out of
the house and around people is the best way to get to know people.
Volunteering can be one way to do this.  There are other techniques, too,
but almost all of them, volunteering included, are usually uncomfortable
because they involve interacting with people.

 > Maybe state jobs are 
 > different than private sector jobs in that respect. I do agree, though, that 
 > volunteering is helpful in getting a job. Thank you for sharing about your new 
 > job. I hope that you continue to get better at your job and enjoy it more and 
 > more. 
 > 
 > On Dec 27, 2013, at 9:52 PM, "Noelle" <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg> 
 > wrote:
 > 
 > > On Fri, 27 Dec 2013, , Flora wrote:
 > >>>>> He still hasn't started the process at all. All he says is that he wants  
 > >>>>> >  >  > me to get him a job.
 > > 
 > > How old is he? He thinks you can get him a job? The way to get a job(if 
 > > you can't get a paying one) is to 
 > > volunteer and then you meet people who may know of jobs, that's the way 
 > > you get a job. Don't apply on websites. You have to talk to real 
 > > people.Robert knows all about this. He goes to a job search group every 
 > > Monday morning even though he has a job now, he helps other people. 
 > > 
 > > my job has been stressful,learning the new technology(using Webex for 
 > > teleconferencing,Skype for communicating with coworkers & bosses from all 
 > > over the country & they 
 > > use it to track our hours, my 
 > > Excel & Word skills are rusty,and learning the new medical coding 
 > > system.We had final assessment last week and I did well despite dealing 
 > > with a cold(I still have not gotten over it, and Robert got it for Xmas).
 > 
 > Good about doing well on your final assessment, bad about having a cold - for 
 > both you and Robert. 
 > 
 > I primarily use Excel at work. 

Almost everybody uses Excel at their work.  It has been the Achilles' Heel
of data mining organizations everywhere, including forcesales when I left
it.

 > > I got this job through a recruiter contacting me through Linkedin.com.
 > > It's easy to stay at home and not get out & see people,especially when you 
 > > are not in an urban area.
 > > For Nick maybe you have to set a firm deadline & if he doesn't take some 
 > > action, then change the locks.(this sounds bad,I know)
 > 
 > Not ready to change the locks just yet.