[** ISO-8859-7 charset **] Re: Comment on It¢s the Patriarchy, Stupid (fwd)

[Noelle <noelle>]

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 > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 18:20:47 -0000
 > 
 > new moderate wrote, in response to Noelle:
 > 
 > I agree. But there are men who point out that relationship customs and laws 
 > are stacked against them, that western women are singularly interested in 
 > their needs to the exclusion of men's needs, and that they need to look out 
 > for themselves. They are creating a culture that limits contact with women 
 > and that defines their needs in relation to the changing feminist 
 > environment that treats them sometimes with contempt. They are opting out of 
 > that.
 > 
 > Noelle wrote:
 > 
 > It would be good if people didn't throw up their hands and give up. People 
 > are smart enough and sensitive enough to learn how to communicate. It's been 
 > a many year process for me to learn how and I am still learning. I have not 
 > given up and retreated to the internet, or to a cabin in Montana. Maybe you 
 > can read Robert Bly's writings about men(earlier version MGTOW,sort of, from 
 > 1980s-90s I think). I do agree with him men should be able to create spaces 
 > with fellow men and don't have to be with women all the time, and women 
 > should have their spaces as well. But we can still do things together too!