I find the devolution of the 20th century belief in progress to what we have now a fascinating topic.(maybe I should read that book "Enigma of Reason") Maybe some anti-vaccine, anti-mask people had bad experiences with the medical system due to having crappy medical insurance, plus mix that in with the failure of the education system to teach science in elementary through high school which penetrates into peoples' minds effectively(especially understanding of the scientific method). It seems that many people find science elitist and only for people who go to college now. These are some of my thoughts provoked by the presentation I also missed the last 15 min. or so since a friend called me. AHA the recorded presentation is now available!!