Re: Population and the Disease of Growth

[robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>]

It's bizarre how addicted to growth we are.  After listening to "Debt: The
First 5000 Years" on audiobook, it made me realize how insanely addicted
humans are to "there being a next generation".  This is undoubtedly a
reflection of our mortality, but it seems like this is a mentality that we
all need to break out of before the entire planet is irreparably harmed.

 > From: Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg>
 > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 > On Mon, 28 Mar 2022, O Mandrussow wrote:
 >  > I started working on population within the Sierra Club back in the 1980s.
 >  > As the author states in the article, in the USA, population would be stable
 >  > IF it weren't for immigration.  This fact stopped the Sierra Club cold.
 >  > Not sure if this is true, but we heard rumors that major donors to the Club
 >  > threatened to stop donating because they depended on cheap immigrant
 >  > labor.  Which brings me to the next bugaboo:  "economic growth."
 >  > Capitalism depends on it, right?
 > yes.
 > we were watching a video from Extinction Rebellion where they were 
 > talking about the newest IPCC report.How much longer do we have to 
 > wait for action? It's like the political leaders and corporate 
 > leaders don't care about the future of their kids and grandkids(most 
 > are parents I'm sure). It boggles my mind.
 > The "leaders" are not leading and the Extinction Rebellion people 
 > said the people have to lead. But how do we get organized?
 > Why are we still so dependent on fossil fuels?
 > 
 >  > When I look at my nieces and second cousins who are having babies (two per
 >  > couple, so at least they are not adding to over population, in a way) what
 >  > I see is people who are overwhelmed by the climate crisis, by life in
 >  > general (speeded up, image-centric, etc.), and who retreat into the insular
 >  > world of "family."  Something that provides comfort and control?
 > 
 > Likely.
 > 
 >  > THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for choosing to not have children.  I am
 >  > grateful to people such as you who've figured this out a long time ago.
 >  > 
 >  > On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 9:44 AM Noelle <http://dummy.us.eu.org/noelleg> wrote:
 >  > > why is this so obvious to people like us???
 >  > >
 >  > > https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/population-and-the-disease-of-growth/