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Re: decline
- To: Noelle <noelle>
- Subject: Re: decline
- From: robert <http://dummy.us.eu.org/robert>
- Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2026 09:47:27 -0700
- Keywords: our-Oakland-cell-phone-number, our-Oakland-cell-phone-number
Agreed.
I might add that it took centuries for Rome to finally fester and fall.
The U.S.'s fall may be faster, but I still think it will take some time.
I'm not certain that it will be China. My hope is that what comes next
will be the withering away of the nation-state all together.
> From: Noelle <noelle>
> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 07:56:38 -0700 (PDT)
>
> M.T. in St. Paul, MN, asks: It seems the U.S. is in decline. I'm
> very much an amateur when it comes to understanding why past empires
> declined but know there are multiple reasons, depending on which
> empire and which era. I don't believe Donald Trump is responsible
> for America's decline, though he is accelerating it. I'm curious if
> you agree America is in decline, if so what is the most important
> reason for that decline, and where America comes out in the end,
> assuming the lunacy of Trump and MAGA eventually fade away. As an
> example, as an amateur, I believe Britain's decline was due to
> overreach, trying to control a massive empire when it could no
> longer do so.
>
> Just as an FYI, the article that triggered this question is New York
> Times article written by Carlos Lozada, headlined "America Has
> Become a Dangerous Nation," and beginning with the observation: "We
> had a good run—some eight decades or so—but it is clear by now that
> the United States has ceased to be the leader of the free world."
>
> (Z) answers: I think that there is no question the U.S. is in
> decline, and has been so for at least 30-40 years.
>
> As to the reason, my answer is "unsophisticated thinking," which has
> manifest in two very important ways. The first is that, over the
> course of the era of plenty (the latter half of the 20th century),
> many Americans eventually shifted to a way of thinking that amounts
> to "I've got mine, who cares if they've got theirs." There was a
> time, particularly right after World War II, when the majority
> accepted that everyone benefits if the roads and bridges are kept in
> good repair, that everyone benefits if the nation has a large number
> of college-educated people, that everyone benefits if it's plausible
> to make a good wage and to afford to own a home and raise a family
> and become a productive member of your community. Now, selfishness
> is more common than interest in the common good (maybe because World
> War II, the last time this nation truly rallied, was so long ago?).
> The result is a society that has been hollowed out from within, and
> where many people are not especially interested in the overall
> health and strength of the nation, while others are looking for
> convenient scapegoats to blame for their troubles.
>
> The second, which is something of a variant of the first, is that
> America's empire-like power since World War II has always been much
> more about its soft power (alliances, cooperation, diplomacy) and
> much less about its hard power (military). However, particularly
> recently, and on the instigation of people who aren't very
> sophisticated thinkers, the nation has lavished money on the
> military, and has neglected its soft power. There was most certainly
> a time when having the biggest guns and the most soldiers was all
> you needed to impose your will on the planet, or a large portion of
> it, but that time has long passed. And the U.S. might well have done
> enough to damage its soft power, at this point, that it cannot be
> fixed. Meanwhile, this spending of $1 trillion/year on the military
> is not sustainable, long-term. So, the U.S. is likely to recede
> further and further in terms of both types of power.
>
> You are right that Donald Trump was not the cause of all this, but
> he certainly harnessed it in his rise to power, and he has certainly
> accelerated the trends (and note that I initially typed that as
> "accelerated the trans," which may or may not be a Freudian slip).
> As a historian, I am more about understanding the past rather than
> predicting the future, but I would say that absent a sea-change
> event like World War II, the U.S. is not likely to regain its
> hegemonic status. It will settle in as one of the next-tier powers,
> along with the U.K., Russia, France, etc., with all looking up at
> China. And this is going to be painful for the American people, as
> the country won't be as safe, and goods will not be as available or
> as cheap, with the result being that quality of life will degrade.
>
> There are, I will note, three presidents that really serve as the
> main drivers of all of this, with Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush
> joining the list, in addition to Trump. However, I think that if you
> managed to revive any of the pre-Reagan Republican presidents,
> particularly Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon, they would
> agree with every word I have written here.
> 3/28.26