I'm using FreeBSD at home as a firewall -- how could I ever have left "the fold"? I'm seriously considering getting a new machine just so that I can make my real home machine be a unix box -- win nt is a bad joke. Thanks for the help anyways -- I don't know why I assumed you would have already been through this, I just did. Keep in touch! -- Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Work: http://www.zso.dec.com/~mikel; Home: http://www.vintners.net/~mikel WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW 19.190 & RCW 19.86